Popular Post ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2016 Note: I told the PS3 thread I would announce what I've found, so I am writing this first post, long before I am ready to (i.e I don't have the links ready yet, nor the instructions). I expect my second post to be ready in a few more days. Thanks to some very ingenious folks on other forums around the world, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract.exe has been found to be effective in ripping SACDS in those players that: 1) have Mediatek chips MT8580 (like Oppo 103/105, Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, Pioneer bdp-lx58/88 ) or MT8560 (like Pioneer BDP-160, 170 and BDP-80FD) 2) have an ethernet connection 3) have normal factory firmwares (meaning no mods) The process involves two major steps: 1) create a USB thumb drive that contains an Autoscript program and a Telnet program, then plug it into your player to have it boot up with these scripts 2) using something like Putty (Windows, for example) Telnet from a computer into the BD/SACD/universal player above, then run a command line file that starts the ISO extraction. Both of these steps require links that I will either edit here, or create a new post with them. I am still quite confused as to whether some of these files are different based on Mediatek chip version, of if this is all universal. Here is an idea of the process (google translated and simplified) 01 – Folder AutoScript contain a server program (daemon) to rip original SACD discs 02 – Folder sacd_extract contain a windows client sacd_extract.exe and a file sacd.cmd. You should put this folder on a drive or partition with enough space to create .iso image. Edit sacd.cmd file with Notepad or another editor to change the IP address of the player. PC must be on the same network with the player 03 – Prepare clean USB stick 04 – Copy AutoScript folder with 3 files inside to the root of USB stick 05 – Disconnect from the player all USB devices 06 – Restart the player 07 – Check the Player menu and save IP address of the lan interface. Don’t forget to edit sacd.cmd 08 – It’s better to disable disc Autoplay 09 – Insert prepared USB stick into the player 10 – Wait until the tray is ejected 11 – Remove USB stick from your player 12 – Put sacd disc in tray 13 – Press the Close button 14 – Wait until the disc is recognized by the player 15 – From the Windows run sacd.cmd file and the ripping process should start 16 – To rip another SACD make sure that the sacd_extract.exe worked until the end, eject the tray with previous disc and repeat steps 11-15 17 – Be sure to reboot the player at the end! Net/net, don't sell your Oppo/Cambridge/Pioneer players (and add to this list if you know of any more). I will have links to the Autoscript, Autoscrpt.TSS and sacd.cmd as soon as possible, along with some screen shots, if possible. I wanted to get this out there. Caveat: as with the PS3, this ripping process is ONLY intended for those who already own the SACD discs, for archiving or personal file-based playback purposes. Please do not pirate!! ******************************************************************************* June 2017: Here is my first attempt to edit/curate this long thread. ** User Haggis999 has written a Word Doc that summarizes how to rip on the Oppo platform (103/105). Here is the link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fsigs8b3m24ld56/AACV2LC2EHfEdiS41fQmlKPxa?dl=0 Thanks Haggis999 ** And here is a similar link for the Pioneer players BDP-80FD/BDP-170 and BDP-160 (thanks to HiRezGuy) https://www.dropbox.com/s/13mq5pihw0enoqy/SACD Image Creation Process for Pioneer BDP-80FD.txt?dl=0 ** Current eligible players? Here is a quoted summary from user CatManDo. He nicely recaps the majority of players out there: "Concerning low budget players (200€), using the MT8560 chip, there are the Pioneer BDP-160 and Pioneer BDP-170 (not the current model 180, which uses a newer chip). A 160 is very hard to find, and the 170 is quite rare too, but offers show up on Ebay or the Amazon Marketplace regularly. They are certain to dry up soon. There is also the Pioneer BDP-80FD, which is the US equivalent to the BDP-170. It's not available in Europe. Players using the MT8580 chip are in a different price league (600€ and more). It's the Oppo 103/105 (all regional variations and Darbee chip players) and players based on the Oppo (Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, maybe others, generally more expensive than the Oppo), the Arcam CDS27 (CD/SACD/file player) and the top range Pioneer players BDP-LX58 and BDP-LX88." Edit: February 2018 A brand new ripping player has been found, the Sony BDP-S590. Thanks to several members, including Phthalocyanine and Dick Darlington, who's summary instructions post is linked here: https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/?page=111&tab=comments#comment-788251 Edit March 2019 Here is MikeyFresh's list of compatible units (as of mid-March 2019): https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/page/176/?tab=comments#comment-940992 MeiSh5am, pl_svn, Currawong and 8 others 8 1 2 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Very cool Ted. Thanks! Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
tmtomh Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Holy sh*t this is awesome. Thank you, and looking forward to the links and further details. I'm also guessing now would be a good time for folks to make sure their internet-connected Oppo, Cambridge, and Pioneer players are not set to auto-update future firmware upgrades, in case the manufacturers see this and try to disable this capability in the future. Link to comment
jamesg11 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Thanks, Ted. Yes, very very interesting ... given that I don't have ps3 & was waiting ... on Mr W's hardware effort. Caveat, being in Oz, I've got the Oppo105 mod for multi-region. Just can't do without a diet of the Criterion Collection! We'll see. macmini M1>ethernet / elgar iso tran(2.5kVa, .0005pfd)>consonance pw-3 boards>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360)>etherRegen(js-2)>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360) >ultraRendu (clones lpsu>lps1.2)>curious regen link>rme adi-2 dac(js-2)>cawsey cables>naquadria sp2 passive pre> 1.naquadria lucien mkII.5 power>elac fs249be + elac 4pi plus.2> 2.perreaux9000b(mods)>2x naquadria 12” passive subs. Link to comment
firedog Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 And maybe one of these days Mr. Wicked will decide to complete his USB solution:). Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT Bedroom: SBTouch to Edifer M1380 system. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Synfreak Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Time to get rid of my spare PS3 units? ;-) Lets wait and see ... As I need a (new) BluRay player anyway, I might get one of the mentioned, just to be prepared ;-) thanks Ted (and all others involved with this...) Esoterc SA-60 / Foobar2000 -> Mytek Stereo 192 DSD / Audio-GD NFB 28.38 -> MEG RL922K / AKG K500 / AKG K1000 / Audioquest Nighthawk / OPPO PM-2 / Sennheiser HD800 / Sennheiser Surrounder / Sony MA900 / STAX SR-303+SRM-323II Link to comment
d_elm Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Is there any possibility this process can be adapted to work with the Mediatek MT8530HEFG that is used in the OPPO BDP-9x series ? Link to comment
joelha Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Note: I told the PS3 thread I would announce what I've found, so I am writing this first post, long before I am ready to (i.e I don't have the links ready yet, nor the instructions). I expect my second post to be ready in a few more days. Thanks to some very ingenious folks on other forums around the world, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract.exe has been found to be effective in ripping SACDS in those players that: 1) have Mediatek chips MT8580 (like Oppo 103/105, Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, Pioneer bdp-lx58/88 ) or MT8560 (like Pioneer BDP-160/170 and 180) 2) have an ethernet connection 3) have normal factory firmwares (meaning no mods) The process involves two major steps: 1) create a USB thumb drive that contains an Autoscript program and a Telnet program, then plug it into your player to have it boot up with these scripts 2) using something like Putty (Windows, for example) Telnet from a computer into the BD/SACD/universal player above, then run a command line file that starts the ISO extraction. Both of these steps require links that I will either edit here, or create a new post with them. I am still quite confused as to whether some of these files are different based on Mediatek chip version, of if this is all universal. Here is an idea of the process (google translated and simplified) 01 – Folder AutoScript contain a server program (daemon) to rip original SACD discs 02 – Folder sacd_extract contain a windows client sacd_extract.exe and a file sacd.cmd. You should put this folder on a drive or partition with enough space to create .iso image. Edit sacd.cmd file with Notepad or another editor to change the IP address of the player. PC must be on the same network with the player 03 – Prepare clean USB stick 04 – Copy AutoScript folder with 3 files inside to the root of USB stick 05 – Disconnect from the player all USB devices 06 – Restart the player 07 – Check the Player menu and save IP address of the lan interface. Don’t forget to edit sacd.cmd 08 – It’s better to disable disc Autoplay 09 – Insert prepared USB stick into the player 10 – Wait until the tray is ejected 11 – Remove USB stick from your player 12 – Put sacd disc in tray 13 – Press the Close button 14 – Wait until the disc is recognized by the player 15 – From the Windows run sacd.cmd file and the ripping process should start 16 – To rip another SACD make sure that the sacd_extract.exe worked until the end, eject the tray with previous disc and repeat steps 11-15 17 – Be sure to reboot the player at the end! Net/net, don't sell your Oppo/Cambridge/Pioneer players (and add to this list if you know of any more). I will have links to the Autoscript, Autoscrpt.TSS and sacd.cmd as soon as possible, along with some screen shots, if possible. I wanted to get this out there. Caveat: as with the PS3, this ripping process is ONLY intended for those who already own the SACD discs, for archiving or personal file-based playback purposes. Please do not pirate!! Who else would be the first to report on this if not you, Ted? So my big questions are, is the ripping process performed in real time and no faster? I'm guessing that would be the case, but I hate to guess. And second, is there a difference in sound quality between the discs ripped on these machines vs. the PS3? I ask because I've heard that some other modded OPPO rips can sound better than those coming from the PS3 for some reason. Thanks a lot for the great information, Ted. Joel Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Joel, the ripping times are exactly like the PS3, i.e about 2-3mb/sec and therefore about 20 minutes or so. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Iain Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Note: I told the PS3 thread I would announce what I've found, so I am writing this first post, long before I am ready to (i.e I don't have the links ready yet, nor the instructions). I expect my second post to be ready in a few more days. Thanks to some very ingenious folks on other forums around the world, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract.exe has been found to be effective in ripping SACDS in those players that: 1) have Mediatek chips MT8580 (like Oppo 103/105, Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, Pioneer bdp-lx58/88 ) or MT8560 (like Pioneer BDP-160/170 and 180) 2) have an ethernet connection 3) have normal factory firmwares (meaning no mods) ... Caveat: as with the PS3, this ripping process is ONLY intended for those who already own the SACD discs, for archiving or personal file-based playback purposes. Please do not pirate!! This is great news, but I have one initial query. I have the following three players: Pioneer DV-610 DVD/SA-CD universal player from 2009 Sony BDP-S770 Sony BDP=S790 The Pioneer has the Mediatek 1389EXE processor and has a multi-region firmware modification: https://www.avforums.com/threads/pioneer-dv-610-v-dv-420.1072186/ Curious if any of these players would work for this. BTW, what's with the LAN connectivity requirement? http://www.soundonsound.com/ Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 I will repeat: this ripping capability is available for those BD/universal/SACD players that have the MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets ONLY! Telnet is the only communication vehicle I am aware of that allows one to run this. That requires a LAN connection (I assume wireless is ok but don't know these players' capability). "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
joelha Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Joel,the ripping times are exactly like the PS3, i.e about 2-3mb/sec and therefore about 20 minutes or so. Thanks Ted. Any reported differences with the sound quality of the discs ripped with this method? Joel Sent from my SM-G928V using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
tane0019 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Interesting ....... camping here to get the latest update, especially those files. Link to comment
Jud Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I will repeat: this ripping capability is available for those BD/universal/SACD players that have the MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets ONLY! Telnet is the only communication vehicle I am aware of that allows one to run this. That requires a LAN connection (I assume wireless is ok but don't know these players' capability). Ah, too bad for me, then - Oppo BDP-83 with MT8520. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
tmtomh Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I will repeat: this ripping capability is available for those BD/universal/SACD players that have the MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets ONLY! Telnet is the only communication vehicle I am aware of that allows one to run this. That requires a LAN connection (I assume wireless is ok but don't know these players' capability). Thanks for this info, Ted. I hope (against hope, alas) that folks will chill and just wait for you to post the full info and links before bombarding you with further questions. Appreciate your service to our community. Link to comment
miguelito Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Thanks to some very ingenious folks on other forums around the world, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract.exe has been found to be effective in ripping SACDS in those players that:1) have Mediatek chips MT8580 (like Oppo 103/105, Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, Pioneer bdp-lx58/88 ) or MT8560 (like Pioneer BDP-160/170 and 180) Happen to know if MT8530HEFG (in Oppo 93) would work? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold or Tedeska Tielke > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, CrystalCable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 BTW, what's with the LAN connectivity requirement? How would you telnet in? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold or Tedeska Tielke > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, CrystalCable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I will repeat: this ripping capability is available for those BD/universal/SACD players that have the MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets ONLY! This seems like hole manufacturers might want to plug once they learn of this. Might be a good idea to not accept future firmware updates for the compatible players that will be used as rippers. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
Hikmer Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Replied to get notified when more details are ready... Digital: Synology NAS DS716+II > Netgear Nighthawk AC Wireless > Oppo Sonica DAC & 105 Analogue: Sota Sapphire, Well Tempered Classic Arm (LA Labs mod), Charisma Reference One MC, AcousTech PH-1 Premium Phono The Rest: Conrad Johnson LS-17 Preamp, Conrad Johnson 2300A, Vandersteen 3A Sigs with 2Wq sub Link to comment
deadcoldfish Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Using a telnet program like: 2) using something like Putty (Windows, for example) Telnet from a computer into the BD/SACD/universal player above, then run a command line file that starts the ISO extraction. You need to telnet over LAN to the SACD Player to the daemon that's running on it, to control it and receive the data from the rip. Link to comment
Curves Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Cool, thanks Ted! I already purchased a PS3 last week and am ripping but it's always nice to have an alternative... Link to comment
CatManDo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Amazing stuff. Thanks to everyone involved in the developpment. I'm looking forward to see the practical results (convenience, reliability) compared to the PS3 method. Claude Link to comment
YashN Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Finally an alternate way to finding a particular PS3 with original firmware. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Finally an alternate way to finding a particular PS3 with original firmware. I hope this doesn't turn into finding a Oppo with old firmware etc... I remain positive though. This is really cool. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
YashN Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I hope this doesn't turn into finding a Oppo with old firmware etc... I remain positive though. This is really cool. At least we now have several models from different manufacturers to hunt for. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
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