Suggestion on speaker cables from an objective standpoint

Hi everyone. I am going through some major system changes - spent all my audio gear budget on a pair of new speakers and a new power amplifier, and now need longer run of speaker cables for the new speakers. From an objective standpoint, is the criteria for selecting speaker cables pretty much being the most neutral, transparent cables that “disappear” in the chain = higher gauge, least amount of resistance, inductance, capacitance? 
 

i am currently eyeing on either the canare 4s11 or the Morgami w3103 but are open to suggestions from others.

thanks

Deric

38 minutes ago, dericchan1 said:

i am currently eyeing on either the canare 4s11 or the Morgami w3103 but are open to suggestions from others.

Those are the two that I'd suggest.

16 minutes ago, Kal Rubinson said:

Those are the two that I'd suggest.

@Kal Rubinson, I came across certain places that “cyro treated” these Morgami w3103 and charges a hefty premium on it. (Claiming a 3D soundstage, wiser dynamic range, added smoothness……) What does it even mean?

thanks

Deric

5 minutes ago, dericchan1 said:

@Kal Rubinson, I came across certain places that “cyro treated” these Morgami w3103 and charges a hefty premium on it. (Claiming a 3D soundstage, wiser dynamic range, added smoothness……) What does it even mean?

Nothing to me.

Just now, ericuco said:

Blue Jeans Cable  has the Canare 4s11 cables. You can specify length, color and termination, including bi-wire which is what I did.

Thanks Eric!!

6 hours ago, dericchan1 said:

@Kal Rubinson, I came across certain places that “cyro treated” these Morgami w3103 and charges a hefty premium on it. (Claiming a 3D soundstage, wiser dynamic range, added smoothness……) What does it even mean?

thanks

Deric

Nothing! the very, very small advantage of “cyro treated” wires, disappears after the wire is flexed a few times.

I'll give another recommendation for Blue Jeans cables!

Gotham SPK, 11 or 13 gauge.  Proaudio LA.

I can recommend Audio Sensibility. More reasonably-priced OCC copper cables with dampening, quality connectors, Teflon and advanced geometry. I own a pair of Testaments and are a clear sonic upgrade compared to basic speaker cables. I also tried Blue Jeans cables and the Testaments CRUSHED it. Very audible difference. I was actually surprised that the difference would be that severe. Yes the Blue Jeans' got plenty of burn-in. After putting them to service for PC audio I've compared them a few times since -- just to make sure the improvement wasn't just faulty memory.

7 hours ago, GUTB said:

I can recommend Audio Sensibility. More reasonably-priced OCC copper cables with dampening, quality connectors, Teflon and advanced geometry. I own a pair of Testaments and are a clear sonic upgrade compared to basic speaker cables. I also tried Blue Jeans cables and the Testaments CRUSHED it. Very audible difference. I was actually surprised that the difference would be that severe. Yes the Blue Jeans' got plenty of burn-in. After putting them to service for PC audio I've compared them a few times since -- just to make sure the improvement wasn't just faulty memory.

@GUTB, very happy you can enjoy your purchase, that's an important experience, imho.
I just can't see the objective part in your posting, which in a objecti-fi cable thread may be the basic demand for a contribution.
 

Speaking of objective view of speaker cables, I had them in the bedroom system for burning in as I leave music on through the night. 
 

it’s been a couple of weeks now and there’s no burn in required they just sounded fine since day 1

22 minutes ago, Archimago said:

I made my own speaker cables during the pandemic:

DIY: Archimago's Colorful Set of Speaker Cables.

 

And measured them:

MEASUREMENTS: Archimago's Colorful Speaker Cables, KnuKonceptz, AmazonBasics, and "freebie" speaker cable.

(Measured a few commercially available cables a little later.)

 

As "objective" as I could go. :-) DIY sounds perfectly good and of enough girth for audio guys who think "bigger is better" for powerful sound.

 

IMO, keep the series resistance low, inductance reasonable and not overdo the capacitance just in case one has sensitive amps. Too much cable chatter out there IMO that it's hard to separate reality from just noise, and a shame that cable brands don't bother to just give us basic measurements to evaluate for ourselves based on the needs we have.

Looks great Archi, thanks for sharing your cables!!!

On 10/24/2022 at 11:07 AM, dericchan1 said:

@Kal Rubinson, I came across certain places that “cyro treated” these Morgami w3103 and charges a hefty premium on it. (Claiming a 3D soundstage, wiser dynamic range, added smoothness……) What does it even mean?

 

thanks

 

Deric

Cryo is supposed to align the crystal structure in metals for reduced thermal dissipation... ie less resistance. But the gap in that story is how that alignment can stay unchanged

afterwards when the wires/tubes go back to room temperature and are carrying current electrons/energy.

4 minutes ago, davide256 said:

Cryo is supposed to align the crystal structure in metals for reduced thermal dissipation... ie less resistance. But the gap in that story is how that alignment can stay unchanged

afterwards when the wires/tubes go back to room temperature and are carrying current electrons/energy.

So the magic will be gone after a while 😂 

Actually that alignment will change as soon as the cables are flexed.

DIY speaker cables, with LCR measurements:

https://diyaudioprojects.com/Power/Low-Inductance-DIY-Speaker-Cables/

Here's an objective article on speaker cables:

https://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-wire-gauge

I can tell y'all, from experience, that Cat-5/6 does not work for speaker wire.

CAT 3to5 will work as speaker cable if you use enough of it. Maybe 4 or 5 cables, all the solid colored wires to one terminal and the striped wires to the other.

3 hours ago, botrytis said:

I can tell y'all, from experience, that Cat-5/6 does not work for speaker wire.

Yeah, I too had a hard time getting those RJ45 plugs to stay snug under my power amp's binding posts. 

51 minutes ago, Speedskater said:

CAT 3to5 will work as speaker cable if you use enough of it. Maybe 4 or 5 cables, all the solid colored wires to one terminal and the striped wires to the other.

I did that exactly; it wasn't worth the work.

On 12/22/2022 at 3:46 PM, botrytis said:

I did that exactly; it wasn't worth the work.

True (but what kind of a DIYer attitude is that? )

It will sound about the same as any other cable with similar end-to-end resistance.

2 minutes ago, Speedskater said:

True (but what kind of a DIYer attitude is that? )

It will sound about the same as any other cable with similar end-to-end resistance.

Not a very good one as if I was a classic DIYer I would have waxed poetic how good the wire was. It wasn't good at all.