vortecjr Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Over the years Sonore has teamed up with eXD to import interesting products for sale in the US and Canada. Today I present to you the exD konNET audio network switch. If you are interested in this item please email me at [email protected] with subject = konNET. PRODUCT DESCRIPTION exD konNET is a carefully designed audio network switch which dedicated to cope with the strict requirement of today’s high end audio network streaming. Unlike usual computer/IT network switches, they are only ensure proper data integrity and transmission, we pay extra attention to the finest details in improving network audio reproduction. The complete network switch is our own design from scratch and not “hot rodding” existing switch. FEATURES - Low Phase noise OCXO with it’s own low noise regulator ensures data and transmission stability (ppb, parts per billion stability) - Integrated LPS (linear power supply) throughout the whole design eliminates the EMI noises from conventional SMPS (switch-mode power supply). - Individual low-noise regulators to network chip helps improving crosstalk and other unwanted modulation among various power supply pins. - Impedance-controlled PCB design further reduces noise and ensuring proper impedance matching. - Modular RJ45 jack integrated with isolation magnetics shorten signal paths total length and again gives significant sonic improvement. - Fast Ethernet (100Mbps) topology was chosen because of lower overall noise which is crucial for critical audio streaming and this speed is more than enough for the highest sample rate playback. - Sturdy all aluminium case construction provides great vibration isolation and screening from environmental EMI/RFI. Specification - Ports: 5x RJ45 - Size: 210mm x 210mm x 55mm (W x D x H) - Weight: 3kg net - Color: Silver or Black - Mains: 220/230V or 110/115V AC 50/60Hz (10W max) Link to product page: https://sonore-us.myshopify.com/search?q=exd SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Mihaylov Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Is there any information about the OCXO phase noise values in this switch? R1200CL 1 Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 With the 100 Mbps limit, it won't be able to do DSD 1024/ PCM 1.536. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Mihaylov said: Is there any information about the OCXO phase noise values in this switch? Hang tight…I’ll ask if they want me to share that information. Mihaylov 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, bobflood said: With the 100 Mbps limit, it won't be able to do DSD 1024/ PCM 1.536. Both of those (even assuming 32 bit PCM) work out to less than 100 Mb/s. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 39 minutes ago, vortecjr said: Both of those (even assuming 32 bit PCM) work out to less than 100 Mb/s. It may work,but, the Ether Regen which is also 100 Mbps never worked with 1024/1.536. Besides the actual data there is the transmission overhead and the fact that it is right on the edge means that there is no surge capacity. There are a lot of threads about it from a few years ago. Not many people would ever use these rates but it is more common now than before. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 DSD 1024 and PCM 1536 kHz at 24 bits are not on the edge of 100 Mbps. I’m not even certain that 1536 kHz at 32 bits is on the edge either…depends on your definition of edge. This is not an ER with its specific design so hard to compare things. The Rendu is know to work at these rates per tested from Chris C and it has a switch chip on board set to 100 Mbps. Anyway I respect eXDs decision and like the simplicity of the design. BTW It’s working great here in my system. Mihaylov 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 I am not trying to pick a fight here. I just remember well the whole controversy surrounding this issue from when the ER was released. HQPlayer uses a 32 bit transmission container so the music data rate for 1024/1.536 is 98.3 Mbps and then there is the transmission overhead on top of that which can easily top 100 Mbps. Also, this would force a continuous feed without any surge capacity. As I said, it may work at these rates and I hope it does. Then there is the issue of does it support flow control. Jussi is like a broken record about the need for flow control at these data rates. I am happy that it works well for you in your system and I hope it sells well. It looks like a well built piece with a lot of care and thought put into it. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 We buds and just chatting. However, your going to talk yourself out of your discussion points:) What bit rate do you thing flow control limits things to….100 Mbps. I don’t want you to assume though…If you are in a position to stream those rates then measure it and post it. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, vortecjr said: We buds and just chatting. However, your going to talk yourself out of your discussion points:) What bit rate do you thing flow control limits things to….100 Mbps. I don’t want you to assume though…If you are in a position to stream those rates then measure it and post it. I only do DSD 256 though my UR or OR with no problems so no way to test. I was merely restating what Jussi has said on many occasions about flow control. I have switch that supports flow control so I do have it turned on. My limited understanding about flow control is that it is not data rate specific but merely attempts to prevent resends by sending packets back to the sender telling it to temporarily slow transmission. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 To answer your question about flow control...I tested it with an ultraRendu hooked up to the konNET. The ultraRendu does not have an internal switch but requests flow control overt the network on boot. Everthing looks good to me as seen from the units diag page. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 If your swich is managed then more likely than not you have to enable pause frames. If the switch is unmanaged then it should just work. On the Rendu you can look for the screen above to confirm things after a reboot in diag. To get to the diag page add /diag to the units IP address in your browser. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Thanks, My two switches are managed so I do have flow control enabled on both of them. I have never had any problems at DSD 256 on either the URendu or the ORendu. On the OR, I may not be getting any flow control packets as I am still using the Gen1 OM and I don’t think it passes them. At 256 on a gig network it probably does not matter anyway. I won’t be trying to go above 256 for a long time. I am using my UltraDigital along with the UR and that is limited to 256. My Spring2 is best suited for 256 as well. Thanks for all the advice and I wish you and Sonore continued success. Bob Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 Let’s have a look…post the complete output of diag for your oR. Just add /diag to the units IP address in your browser. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 27 minutes ago, vortecjr said: Let’s have a look…post the complete output of diag for your oR. Just add /diag to the units IP address in your browser. Big Chip USB Info Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0424:2412 Standard Microsystems Corp. Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Partition Info Disk /dev/mmcblk1: 14.9 GiB, 15931539456 bytes, 31116288 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x4aa9cb1b Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/mmcblk1p1 2048 70379 68332 33.4M e W95 FAT16 (LBA) /dev/mmcblk1p2 * 71680 481279 409600 200M 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk1p3 481280 31116287 30635008 14.6G 83 Linux Disk /dev/zram0: 475.9 MiB, 499003392 bytes, 121827 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 4096 = 4096 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk Usage Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mmcblk1p3 15056232 3915048 11113684 27% / tmpfs 511012 0 511012 0% /sys/fs/cgroup devtmpfs 469732 0 469732 0% /dev tmpfs 511012 0 511012 0% /dev/shm tmpfs 511012 432 510580 1% /run /dev/mmcblk1p2 180560 104128 70296 60% /boot /dev/mmcblk1p1 34015 317 33698 1% /boot/efi tmpfs 102200 0 102200 0% /run/user/0 Network Statistics Kernel Interface table eth0: flags=4163 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.50.137 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.50.255 inet6 fe80::d263:b4ff:fe02:3564 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20 inet6 2600:1700:4180:43ff:d263:b4ff:fe02:3564 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0 ether d0:63:b4:02:35:64 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 834358254 bytes 479014433 (456.8 MiB) RX errors 88 dropped 7 overruns 0 frame 88 TX packets 33263446 bytes 3652933381 (3.4 GiB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 lo: flags=73 mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10 loop txqueuelen 1000 (Local Loopback) RX packets 10477 bytes 1257787 (1.1 MiB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 10477 bytes 1257787 (1.1 MiB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 NIC statistics: tx_dropped: 0 tx_packets: 64841 tx_broadcast: 509 tx_multicast: 11960 tx_crc_errors: 0 tx_undersize: 0 tx_oversize: 0 tx_fragment: 0 tx_jabber: 0 tx_collision: 0 tx_64byte: 7704 tx_65to127byte: 13924 tx_128to255byte: 43045 tx_256to511byte: 165 tx_512to1023byte: 2 tx_1024to2047byte: 1 tx_GTE2048byte: 0 tx_octets: 892537506 IEEE_tx_drop: 0 IEEE_tx_frame_ok: 64841 IEEE_tx_1col: 0 IEEE_tx_mcol: 0 IEEE_tx_def: 0 IEEE_tx_lcol: 0 IEEE_tx_excol: 0 IEEE_tx_macerr: 0 IEEE_tx_cserr: 0 IEEE_tx_sqe: 0 IEEE_tx_fdxfc: 6572 IEEE_tx_octets_ok: 892537506 rx_packets: 9346 rx_broadcast: 36405 rx_multicast: 64985 rx_crc_errors: 0 rx_undersize: 0 rx_oversize: 0 rx_fragment: 0 rx_jabber: 0 rx_64byte: 20345 rx_65to127byte: 19115 rx_128to255byte: 64198 rx_256to511byte: 44166 rx_512to1023byte: 22836 rx_1024to2047byte: 35294 rx_GTE2048byte: 0 rx_octets: 1445800870 IEEE_rx_drop: 0 IEEE_rx_frame_ok: 9346 IEEE_rx_crc: 0 IEEE_rx_align: 0 IEEE_rx_macerr: 0 IEEE_rx_fdxfc: 0 IEEE_rx_octets_ok: 1445800870 Network Pause Settings Pause parameters for eth0: Autonegotiate: on RX: on TX: on RX negotiated: on TX negotiated: on Pause parameters for eth1: ./opticalRendu_files/logo.png Copyright © 2008 - 2022 Simple Design, LLC . All rights reserved. www.sonore.us Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 You have pause frame is on. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Account Closed Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, vortecjr said: You have pause frame is on. Thanks, I saw that and was happily surprised. I thought that it wasn’t until the Gen3 OM that it worked. I never thought to check. Link to comment
vortecjr Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 4 hours ago, bobflood said: Thanks, I saw that and was happily surprised. I thought that it wasn’t until the Gen3 OM that it worked. I never thought to check. No…pause frames is a feature of the opticalModule DX with the Broadcom IC, but it’s not related to the opticalRendu. It is related to the ultraRendu and other devices that request pause frames because they don’t directly support pause frames on board. Account Closed 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
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