Popular Post vortecjr Posted October 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2017 The Sonore ultraDigital v2.0 is a USB digital converter with SPDIF output via BNC and an LVDS i2s output via HDMI. The LVDS i2s output supports various formats for compatibility with various digital to analog converters. For use with microRendu, ultraRendu, opticalRendu and Signature Rendu SE only. Please note Sonore will not provide support for direct connection to Windows. Features SPDIF output via BNC: PCM 44.1K-192K, DSD64 via DOP LVDS i2s output via HDMI: PCM 44.1K-384K, native DSD64, DSD128, DSD256, DSD512 USB input support PCM, DSD via DoP, and native DSD via Linux No drivers needed for Linux and OS X Power input: USB bus powered Selectable LVDS i2s output formats via HDMI: Gustard, PS Audio / Denafrips, Holo Audio, L.K.S., Wyred4Sound, etc. Selectable master clock output rate (for DIY use only) Selectable off/on switch for the 5V output on HDMI pin 18 (need for some i2s DACs) Here are some jitter measurements of the Sonore ultraDigital Notes on the art of measurements *Please note that these measurements fluctuate up and down in real time. *These are random captures and no effort was made to capture the lowest value. *The dashboard of the Audio Preceision analyser is shown so you can see the settings. * Changing the settings on the left can make the results go up or down. Test setup #1 Sonore generic SMPS powering the microRendu Roon streaming a 16 bit 44.1 kHz tone to a microRendu in RoonReady output mode ultraDigital SPDIF BNC output to the Audio Preceision analyser Test setup #2 Sonore generic SMPS powering the microRendu Roon streaming a 24 bit 48 kHz tone to a microRendu in RoonReady output mode ultraDigital SPDIF BNC output to the Audio Preceision analyser Link to product page: https://www.sonore.us/ultraDigital.html Abide68 and bunno77 1 1 SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
Charente Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I appreciate Specs are TBA ... but can you say whether this is an add-on product for a micr/ultraRendu or an alternative ? Main System: NAS or QOBUZ > BlueSound Node 2i > Schiit Gungnir MultiBit > PYST XLR > Schiit Mjolnir 2 or Gilmore Lite MK2 Office System: iMac > Audirvana > Schiit EITR + Audiophonics LPS25 > Metrum FLINT NOS DAC (DAC TWO chips) > Schiit Magni 3+ > Aeon Flow Open Loudspeaker System: NAIM Muso Gen 2 Link to comment
nbpf Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, vortecjr said: DESCRIPTION The Sonore ultraDigital project is a USB digital converter with SPDIF output via BNC and a LVDS i2s output via HDMI. The LVDS i2s output supports various format for compatibility with various digital to analog converters. SPECIFICATIONS TBD AVAILABLITY Coming soon Great, thanks for posting! Finally a device with SPDIF output from Sonore! I' m looking forward to see how it compares to Eitr, MC3+ USB, etc. Link to comment
jcn3 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Charente said: I appreciate Specs are TBA ... but can you say whether this is an add-on product for a micr/ultraRendu or an alternative ? Since the rendus are renderers and the digital is a USB converter, it would be considered an add on. (1) simaudio moon mind2 > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) rpi 4b > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > sennheiser hd600 Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, jcn3 said: Since the rendus are renderers and the digital is a USB converter, it would be considered an add on. I wouldn't - it'll probably work in precisely the same way, just outputting an SPDIF digital stream instead of a USB digital stream. It will still be recognised and behave as a Roon end point as the Schiit Eitr does. The acid test for me is whether it will SQ outperform my Allo DigiOne with LPSU; if it does I shall buy one in a heartbeat. Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Actually, my mistake, just realised it's USB input. Apologies JCN3. In that case, I am not interested. I'd want ethernet input to the device (so I can use the bridged output of my server) with SPDIF output. I don't want to use USB anywhere in the chain. Sonore need to have a think about that as they are missing an opportunity in my view. Link to comment
jcn3 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 minute ago, George Hincapie said: . . . it'll probably work in precisely the same way, just outputting an SPDIF digital stream instead of a USB digital stream. It will still be recognised and behave as a Roon end point as the Schiit Eitr does. Yes, it is the same as an Eitr. My point was simply that it is not an alternative to a renderer. (1) simaudio moon mind2 > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) rpi 4b > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > sennheiser hd600 Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, jcn3 said: Yes, it is the same as an Eitr. My point was simply that it is not an alternative to a renderer. They should make a network renderer with SPDIF. Perfect. Matias 1 Link to comment
jcn3 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 20 minutes ago, George Hincapie said: They should make a network renderer with SPDIF. Perfect. That would be a Auralic Aries, Aries Mini and the like . . . (1) simaudio moon mind2 > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) rpi 4b > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > sennheiser hd600 Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 30 minutes ago, jcn3 said: That would be a Auralic Aries, Aries Mini and the like . . . Except it wouldn't, because Auralic and Sonore are different companies and that isn't what I want. I have been pretty clear what I'd like them to release. Link to comment
m3lraaHnevetS Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, George Hincapie said: They should make a network renderer with SPDIF. Perfect. like this? barrows 1 Pink Faun Streamer —> Pink Faun DAC --> Ayre AX5 --> Paradigm S8 Link to comment
nbpf Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, George Hincapie said: They should make a network renderer with SPDIF. Perfect. Both a renderer with SPDIF outputs and a USB to SPDIF (and USB to I2S) bridge are useful options. I do not need a renderer in my system but I would be happy to order a Sonore ultraDigital if it performs better than the Schiit Eitr and the Mutec MC3+ USB. I guess that the upcoming ultraDigital can be powered with an UpTone Audio UltraCap LPS-1. I am happy that Sonore comes out with a device with SPDIF outputs but announcing a new device without providing specs seems a little bit pointless to me. Hopefully the OP will soon provide some more informations ... Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, m3lraaHnevetS said: like this? No. Like the mR/uR but with SPDIF out instead of USB. P.S. But yes, if I could buy it without getting divorced Link to comment
jcn3 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 hours ago, George Hincapie said: Except it wouldn't, because Auralic and Sonore are different companies and that isn't what I want. I have been pretty clear what I'd like them to release. I interpreted "they" as any company. It wasn't clear to me that you meant Sonore . . . (1) simaudio moon mind2 > chord dave > luxman cl-38uc/mq-88uc > kef reference 1 (2) rpi 4b > chord qutest > luxman sq-n150 > sennheiser hd600 Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 2 hours ago, jcn3 said: I interpreted "they" as any company. It wasn't clear to me that you meant Sonore . . . Given the thread is about Sonore it should have been obvious, but no matter. Link to comment
rickca Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 6 hours ago, George Hincapie said: They should make a network renderer with SPDIF. Perfect. The original Sonore Signature Series Rendu (SSR) does what you want, doesn't it? It's discontinued, but Jesus can probably source a used one for you. It apparently has an excellent SPDIF implementation designed by John Swenson. barrows 1 Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
vortecjr Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 8:39 AM, Charente said: I appreciate Specs are TBA ... but can you say whether this is an add-on product for a micr/ultraRendu or an alternative ? This is just something for our customers that need a digital source with their DAC. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
vortecjr Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 9 hours ago, nbpf said: Great, thanks for posting! Finally a device with SPDIF output from Sonore! I' m looking forward to see how it compares to Eitr, MC3+ USB, etc. That is easy...the ultraDigital is the only one with LVDS i2s output via HDMI output:) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
nbpf Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, vortecjr said: That is easy...the ultraDigital is the only one with LVDS i2s output via HDMI output:) I understand, but I need an SPDIF output, not i2s. Thus, what matters to me is how the ultraDigital compares to Eitr, MC3+ USB, etc. in terms of SPDIF output quality! Does the device provide galvanic isolation? Does it require device specific drivers for Linux? Thanks, nbpf Link to comment
motberg Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This looks great... small form allows easy connection with short/stiff HDMI i2s cables.. external power lets you flavor the power to your preference and budget.. Hope you can add Audio-GD to the tested HDMI-compatible list... Link to comment
vortecjr Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 10 hours ago, nbpf said: I understand, but I need an SPDIF output, not i2s. Thus, what matters to me is how the ultraDigital compares to Eitr, MC3+ USB, etc. in terms of SPDIF output quality! Does the device provide galvanic isolation? Does it require device specific drivers for Linux? Thanks, nbpf Like the micro/ultraRendu line it has external DC input so you can tweak the sound with the power supply you use. We will offer a iFi iPower supply or you could use your own uber expensive power supply with it. So the sounds is going to vary from great to whatevery your needs are. How it compares to other gear I'll leave that up to you. Yes it has galvanic isolation and reclocking to deal with the jitter it induces as a result of it. Nothing special needed for Linux and native DSD is supported via the LVDS i2s output. SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
nbpf Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 38 minutes ago, vortecjr said: Like the micro/ultraRendu line it has external DC input so you can tweak the sound with the power supply you use. We will offer a iFi iPower supply or you could use your own uber expensive power supply with it. So the sounds is going to vary from great to whatevery your needs are. How it compares to other gear I'll leave that up to you. Yes it has galvanic isolation and reclocking to deal with the jitter it induces as a result of it. Nothing special needed for Linux and native DSD is supported via the LVDS i2s output. Thanks for the feedback, that sounds like a perfect replacement for my oldish M2Tech HiFace Evo! Any chance to get one shipped to Germany before Christmas? Best, nbpf bunno77 1 Link to comment
vortecjr Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Sign up for the mailing list on our website and we will keep you posted;) SONORE computer audio | opticalRendu | ultraRendu | microRendu | Signature Rendu SE | endPoint | opticalModule DX | Power Supplies | Link to comment
nbpf Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, vortecjr said: Sign up for the mailing list on our website and we will keep you posted;) Done, thanks! Link to comment
George Hincapie Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 9 hours ago, vortecjr said: Sign up for the mailing list on our website and we will keep you posted;) Will it be recognised as a Roon end point? Link to comment
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