Popular Post Audionumber3 Posted September 11 Popular Post Share Posted September 11 I do have the Cyan 2 now, and over the next few weeks I'll be putting it through its paces. Just so people are aware.... I'm using HQplayer for digital attenuation going straight into my power amplifier. Amplifier is a Hypex Ncx500…Speakers are Buchardt S400 mk2, in dedicated listening room with treatment. Miska, GoodEnoughGear, Gerardo61 and 1 other 4 Link to comment
copy_of_a Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 4 hours ago, Audionumber3 said: I'm using HQplayer for digital attenuation going straight into my power amplifier. Amplifier is a Hypex Ncx500…Speakers are Buchardt S400 mk2 out of interest: how much attenuation do you have to apply in HQPs volume control to reach moderate listening levels like 60-70 dBA? _ Link to comment
dericchan1 Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 5 hours ago, copy_of_a said: out of interest: how much attenuation do you have to apply in HQPs volume control to reach moderate listening levels like 60-70 dBA? It also depends on the power amp you use - i.e. gain settings with the power amp... and some tracks are recorded louder than others... With the Cyan 2 XLR directly to my Nuprime Evolution STA power amp, I would be at about -13db in HQP volume to reach about 85dBA bogi 1 Link to comment
Audionumber3 Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 5 hours ago, copy_of_a said: out of interest: how much attenuation do you have to apply in HQPs volume control to reach moderate listening levels like 60-70 dBA? Playing Pearl Jam Daughter(when the song gets into it) I hit an average of 68 dB at -36dB on HQplayer. That's in my fairly damped listening space, and 10 foot away listening position. I normally run a convolution filter.... But this is without. Plenty of headroom. Link to comment
LoryWiv Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 17 minutes ago, Audionumber3 said: Playing Pearl Jam Daughter(when the song gets into it) I hit an average of 68 dB at -36dB on HQplayer. That's in my fairly damped listening space, and 10 foot away listening position. I normally run a convolution filter.... But this is without. Plenty of headroom. Is there any degradation of sound quality using that degree of attenuation? Desktop: HQ Player --> Singxer SU-1 --> Matrix X-Sabre Pro --> McChanson SuperSilver UltimatE Headphones: Audeze MM-500, Meze Audio Elite, Focal Utopia 2022, Focal Bathys (Wireless) Portable Gear: Hiby RS6, xDuoo XD05 Bal 2, FiiO BTR7, Creative BT-W5, FiiTii HiFiDots TWS Nearfield Active Speakers: Audioengine HD3 Power Conditioning: Furman Elite-15 PFi Link to comment
Audionumber3 Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 4 minutes ago, LoryWiv said: Is there any degradation of sound quality using that degree of attenuation? Well that's a can of worms. Let's just say, I think it still sounds great.... But I don't have a pre-amplifier to compare that against. Apparently, technically speaking with HQplayer... There is no degration in sound quality anywhere near that attenuation level. LoryWiv 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Audionumber3 Posted September 15 Popular Post Share Posted September 15 Ok.... I think I'm ready to share what I think about the Spring 3 vs Cyan 2. This is my subjective option.... But I still suggest anyone interested in the Cyan should probably just try it for themselves in their own setting. As a reminder, I have my own dedicated listening room....only 11 foot wide, but 30 feet long. Speakers are about 10 ft away from the front wall, I'm another 10 ft away from that, and another 10 ft of space behind me. I use acoustical treatment, and full convolution. I played around with some filters and modulators in Hqplayer, but primarily stuck to my favorites with the Spring. DSD256 Poly-sinc-gauss and Poly-sinc-gauss-hires-lp with ASDM5EC-super. At first, I thought the 2 DACs were virtually identical.... Which in and of itself is super impressive for the Cyan right off the bat. First thing I noticed a pinch cooler tonality, but it was very slight. Hard to describe, but it didn't come off as sounding more forward or anything like that.... Just ever so slightly cooler. The imaging and separation was very good, like really focused. That stood out to me as I listened, like it came off a tiny bit more focused then even the Spring. Another thing I noticed, perhaps related to what I already mentioned about imaging was the vocals. There were certain vocal tracks that came off with just a pinch less dimension on the Cyan..... Like they were flatter sounding, but I'm talking a very small difference. Still very detailed, very focused....but the Springs vocals sounded a pinch more layered. Like I could pick up the separation of air, vocal cords and chest, a tiny bit easier on the Spring....giving it more dimension and convincingly realistic sound. The only other real difference I'll mention was the attack, or bass weight. The Cyan had a little less punch then the Spring. The Springs bass stood out more during the playback of more complicated tracks. It never got lost in the mix. Now, the Spring output on XLR is 2.9 volts, and the Cyan 2.5 volts. Not sure if that's why....? Anyway, I did make sure I volume matched so.... Now, at this time.... Those few differences I noticed were not obvious on every track, only on some. And to me, if I could put a percentage on the difference.... I'd say no more then 2-3%. It was that small. It wasn't until I had a chance to really crank the volume.... That these differences became a little bit bigger, and more apparent. I finally had the house to myself one day, and I had the volume up to about 85dB average, probably 90dB peeks. My speakers are known to sound best playing louder, so maybe that was a factor. But anyway, the Springs vocals and mid-range sounded even a little more realistic, and bass slam and weight just kept up with the volume. At these volumes, the Cyan still sounded awesome.... Very impressive. But in my opinion, sounded just a little bit short of the Spring. Now the ultimate question, is the Springs price worth it over the Cyan. That is a question only you and your budget can answer. For a DAC that is subjectively sounds 95% as good as the Spring 3 KTE, for less than half the price, for some people.... It's probably a no-brainer. For a Audiophile like myself, that admits he's missing a few brain cells.... I couldn't do without the Spring in my system. LoryWiv, bogi, Miska and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
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